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		<title>By: NEQNET: last two weeks of March &#124; NEQNET: Non-equilibrium Phenomena</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEQNET: last two weeks of March &#124; NEQNET: Non-equilibrium Phenomena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He explains how very good physicists differ from the ones like your humble correspondent   4.3. Global crisis: one interesting plot. We analyse current US federal deficit and find that it is not that scary as Soros says. Nice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He explains how very good physicists differ from the ones like your humble correspondent   4.3. Global crisis: one interesting plot. We analyse current US federal deficit and find that it is not that scary as Soros says. Nice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: House market bubble: brief update &#124; NEQNET: Non-equilibrium Phenomena</title>
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		<dc:creator>House market bubble: brief update &#124; NEQNET: Non-equilibrium Phenomena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As usual on Sundays, science will be temporarily forgotten, because I would like to share many other things with you. This Sunday I am going to talk about again only global financial crisis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As usual on Sundays, science will be temporarily forgotten, because I would like to share many other things with you. This Sunday I am going to talk about again only global financial crisis. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;which is stupid&lt;/blockquote&gt;

arrogant=stupid :-), but one may note that US stopped publishing M3 data hardly because they wanted to pump some money from &quot;China?s Swiming Pool&quot; :-)

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>which is stupid</p></blockquote>
<p>arrogant=stupid <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but one may note that US stopped publishing M3 data hardly because they wanted to pump some money from &#8220;China?s Swiming Pool&#8221; <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel de Franca MTd2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel de Franca MTd2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s like saying US wants to forfeit the status of dollar as a world reserve currency, which is stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s like saying US wants to forfeit the status of dollar as a world reserve currency, which is stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lubos,

Panarin is a somewhat mysterious person :-) (former GRU expert), while Khazin is professional economist and, I guess, is more interesting to follow :-)

Very nice video :-)

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lubos,</p>
<p>Panarin is a somewhat mysterious person <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (former GRU expert), while Khazin is professional economist and, I guess, is more interesting to follow <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Very nice video <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I mean, they are not stupid of just pumping by just printing money like Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe nowadays, right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let me be arrogant for a moment and say: &quot;Yes, they are&quot;. There is an important difference though between Weimar Rep. and US - dollar is the world reserve currency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I mean, they are not stupid of just pumping by just printing money like Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe nowadays, right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me be arrogant for a moment and say: &#8220;Yes, they are&#8221;. There is an important difference though between Weimar Rep. and US &#8211; dollar is the world reserve currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel de Franca MTd2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel de Franca MTd2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a doubt. When they say they are pumping money, they are doing it from China&#039;s Swiming Pool, right? I mean, they are not stupid of just pumping by just printing money like Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe nowadays, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a doubt. When they say they are pumping money, they are doing it from China&#8217;s Swiming Pool, right? I mean, they are not stupid of just pumping by just printing money like Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe nowadays, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Haelfix,

I know this mantra but I don&#039;t quite believe in it. The reason is that, if you take a look at GDP deficit curve and its correlations with oil prices, you&#039;ll see that GDP deficit started to take off &lt;em&gt;well&lt;/em&gt; before oil prices dropped significantly to call it deflation (pretty trivial point, isn&#039;t it?)

&lt;blockquote&gt;So the federal reserve is pumping money like crazy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh yes, and the problem, as I see it, is that they kept doing that for &lt;em&gt;decades&lt;/em&gt;, even, say, on the peak of growing dot com bubble, when there was no smell of deflation whatsoever.

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Haelfix,</p>
<p>I know this mantra but I don&#8217;t quite believe in it. The reason is that, if you take a look at GDP deficit curve and its correlations with oil prices, you&#8217;ll see that GDP deficit started to take off <em>well</em> before oil prices dropped significantly to call it deflation (pretty trivial point, isn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<blockquote><p>So the federal reserve is pumping money like crazy</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yes, and the problem, as I see it, is that they kept doing that for <em>decades</em>, even, say, on the peak of growing dot com bubble, when there was no smell of deflation whatsoever.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now people are much more worried about deflation than inflation.  You don&#039;t want to fall in a deflationary trap which is extremely hard to get out off and much more devastating to economies.  

So the federal reserve is pumping money like crazy trying to inflate the system to fight this, the problem is they are at the zero bound on the interest rates which means they no longer have as much control directly.  Fortunately, the interest rate cutting efforts as well as other tools that have recently been put to use seem to be working somewhat, so the deflationary tendencies are less bleak than they were a few months ago.

So yes, eventually in a year or two they will have to be very, very careful about not inflating too much and they&#039;ll have a tightrope problem between keeping the recovering economy growing and taming the urge to keep inflation in check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now people are much more worried about deflation than inflation.  You don&#8217;t want to fall in a deflationary trap which is extremely hard to get out off and much more devastating to economies.  </p>
<p>So the federal reserve is pumping money like crazy trying to inflate the system to fight this, the problem is they are at the zero bound on the interest rates which means they no longer have as much control directly.  Fortunately, the interest rate cutting efforts as well as other tools that have recently been put to use seem to be working somewhat, so the deflationary tendencies are less bleak than they were a few months ago.</p>
<p>So yes, eventually in a year or two they will have to be very, very careful about not inflating too much and they&#8217;ll have a tightrope problem between keeping the recovering economy growing and taming the urge to keep inflation in check.</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Privet, Dmitry,

Khazin is interesting, and I am familiar with his musings, but I actually meant Igor Panarin and his collapse of the U.S. into 6 states. See e.g.

http://www.supercollide.com/2009/01/end-of-us.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

I included the supercollider blog because it&#039;s fun that a supercollider blog reported on it, too. ;-)

I still speak and understand Russian at some basic level. I used to be very good in it, as a kid, and Tolik Morozov told me that when I visited Rutgers in 1997 for the first time, my Russian was better than my English. ;-)

Now it&#039;s just OK but you can still join the crowds of Russian fans of the musician called L.M.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgzhG-B4zWM

Best wishes
Lubos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privet, Dmitry,</p>
<p>Khazin is interesting, and I am familiar with his musings, but I actually meant Igor Panarin and his collapse of the U.S. into 6 states. See e.g.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.supercollide.com/2009/01/end-of-us.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.supercollide.com/2009/01/end-of-us.html</a><br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/.....38419.html</a></p>
<p>I included the supercollider blog because it&#8217;s fun that a supercollider blog reported on it, too. <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I still speak and understand Russian at some basic level. I used to be very good in it, as a kid, and Tolik Morozov told me that when I visited Rutgers in 1997 for the first time, my Russian was better than my English. <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s just OK but you can still join the crowds of Russian fans of the musician called L.M.:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgzhG-B4zWM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgzhG-B4zWM</a></p>
<p>Best wishes<br />
Lubos</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lubos and Daniel,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Or otherwise, wouldn&#039;t it even be better if the surplus/deficit were calculated as a proportion to the GDP?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly.


&lt;blockquote&gt;the recent era will be essentially unchanged, while the World War II will generate somewhat comparable deficits to this year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s what I have found, too, the only significant fluctuation is the WWII, while present crisis is nothing special. So, I think I have to doubt that Soros can make his conclusion based only on deficit data. On the other hand, inflation is really noticeable - is it good or bad? Of course, it&#039;s bad: although one can introduce an inflation-related correction to deficit data, this correction is not introduced in reality to your salary :-)

That&#039;s, if deficit is going to be covered partially by you as a tax payer, one might expect certain growth of taxes. On the other hand, if deficit will be covered by printing out more cash (as it seems to be dealt with in recent years), the instability of the situation will just grow.

Anyway, I conclude that the scary thing is not budget deficit but inflation.

&lt;blockquote&gt;the Russian scholars&#039; seemingly crazy predictions of a U.S. collapse&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lubos, I did not know you are familiar with Khazin&#039;s ramblings :-) I am impressed (do you speak Russian by the way?)

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lubos and Daniel,</p>
<blockquote><p>Or otherwise, wouldn&#8217;t it even be better if the surplus/deficit were calculated as a proportion to the GDP?</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<blockquote><p>the recent era will be essentially unchanged, while the World War II will generate somewhat comparable deficits to this year.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what I have found, too, the only significant fluctuation is the WWII, while present crisis is nothing special. So, I think I have to doubt that Soros can make his conclusion based only on deficit data. On the other hand, inflation is really noticeable &#8211; is it good or bad? Of course, it&#8217;s bad: although one can introduce an inflation-related correction to deficit data, this correction is not introduced in reality to your salary <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s, if deficit is going to be covered partially by you as a tax payer, one might expect certain growth of taxes. On the other hand, if deficit will be covered by printing out more cash (as it seems to be dealt with in recent years), the instability of the situation will just grow.</p>
<p>Anyway, I conclude that the scary thing is not budget deficit but inflation.</p>
<blockquote><p>the Russian scholars&#8217; seemingly crazy predictions of a U.S. collapse</p></blockquote>
<p>Lubos, I did not know you are familiar with Khazin&#8217;s ramblings <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I am impressed (do you speak Russian by the way?)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Daniel, if you do so, the recent era will be essentially unchanged, while the World War II will generate somewhat comparable deficits to this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Daniel, if you do so, the recent era will be essentially unchanged, while the World War II will generate somewhat comparable deficits to this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel de Franca MTd2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel de Franca MTd2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that graph corrected for inflation? Or otherwise, wouldn&#039;t it even be better if the surplus/deficit were calculated as a proportion to the GDP? It seems that if you don&#039;t do any of these, variations will become exponentialy bigger and turn any analasys meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that graph corrected for inflation? Or otherwise, wouldn&#8217;t it even be better if the surplus/deficit were calculated as a proportion to the GDP? It seems that if you don&#8217;t do any of these, variations will become exponentialy bigger and turn any analasys meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obama deficits are simply stunning - to the extent that I start to be pretty serious about the Russian scholars&#039; seemingly crazy predictions of a U.S. collapse etc.

To revenge, I have followed your example and included a &quot;print this post&quot; button on my blog (individual posts), too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama deficits are simply stunning &#8211; to the extent that I start to be pretty serious about the Russian scholars&#8217; seemingly crazy predictions of a U.S. collapse etc.</p>
<p>To revenge, I have followed your example and included a &#8220;print this post&#8221; button on my blog (individual posts), too.</p>
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