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	<title>Comments on: 307. Scientist&#8217;s gadgets: Tablet PC and handwriting formulae recognition</title>
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		<title>By: federico</title>
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		<dc:creator>federico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what do you think about the hp touchsmart tm2?
Specially when it&#039;s comming with a core i3 processor
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003KN3IZI
sorry for my english, my native language is spanish. i&#039;m a physics student in argentina, and i&#039;d love to buy a tablet pc, but in my country there are only a few old ones.
i&#039;d be glad to know your opinion, please answer to mi e-mail marcosfede@gmail.com if you can
cheers,
federico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what do you think about the hp touchsmart tm2?<br />
Specially when it&#8217;s comming with a core i3 processor<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003KN3IZI" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003KN3IZI</a><br />
sorry for my english, my native language is spanish. i&#8217;m a physics student in argentina, and i&#8217;d love to buy a tablet pc, but in my country there are only a few old ones.<br />
i&#8217;d be glad to know your opinion, please answer to mi e-mail <a href="mailto:marcosfede@gmail.com">marcosfede@gmail.com</a> if you can<br />
cheers,<br />
federico</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually OSX has handwriting recognition (called Ink) built in to the operating system, which then lets you write on your graphics tablet etc directly into any text box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually OSX has handwriting recognition (called Ink) built in to the operating system, which then lets you write on your graphics tablet etc directly into any text box.</p>
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		<title>By: Zohair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zohair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For whiteboarding, you may find our product, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dabbleboard.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dabbleboard&lt;/a&gt; even more useful. It does things like shape recognition to make whiteboarding really easy and fast. Doesn&#039;t do character recognition itself, but you could certainly use Vista&#039;s built-in support for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whiteboarding, you may find our product, <a href="http://www.dabbleboard.com" rel="nofollow">Dabbleboard</a> even more useful. It does things like shape recognition to make whiteboarding really easy and fast. Doesn&#8217;t do character recognition itself, but you could certainly use Vista&#8217;s built-in support for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not actually try Inftyreader, Inftyeditor was relatively fine from my point of view (especially compared to support of handwriting recognition in Maple). Early version did grow my stress level, though ;-)

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not actually try Inftyreader, Inftyeditor was relatively fine from my point of view (especially compared to support of handwriting recognition in Maple). Early version did grow my stress level, though <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For PDF annotation of papers online, you might like to try our service at &lt;a href=&#039;http://a.nnotate.com&#039; title=&#039;Annotate PDF online&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A.nnotate.com&lt;/a&gt; - there&#039;s a free version (just needs a web browser, no plugins reqd), or you can get your institution to install it for unlimited use. Several people can annotate the same copy of a paper (e.g. for journal club discussions), and highlighted text and notes get indexed for you -

Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For PDF annotation of papers online, you might like to try our service at <a href='http://a.nnotate.com' title='Annotate PDF online' rel="nofollow">A.nnotate.com</a> &#8211; there&#8217;s a free version (just needs a web browser, no plugins reqd), or you can get your institution to install it for unlimited use. Several people can annotate the same copy of a paper (e.g. for journal club discussions), and highlighted text and notes get indexed for you -</p>
<p>Fred</p>
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		<title>By: Savan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried the Inftyreader. It did not recognize much of anything except for few integrals. Perhaps, it does a better job with uncluttered documents. 

Best,
Savan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried the Inftyreader. It did not recognize much of anything except for few integrals. Perhaps, it does a better job with uncluttered documents. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Savan</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Savan,

what did you try - InftyEditor or Infty Reader?

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Savan,</p>
<p>what did you try &#8211; InftyEditor or Infty Reader?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Savan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dmitry,

Its would be really useful gadgets if it did work. I tried to convert a page in Coleman&#039;s QFT lecture note and it gave me real silly stuff. I am not discouraging the technology, but its really hard for me to see how this would evolve into a something which would make things less time consuming. Anyways, I hope I am wrong.

Best,

Savan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dmitry,</p>
<p>Its would be really useful gadgets if it did work. I tried to convert a page in Coleman&#8217;s QFT lecture note and it gave me real silly stuff. I am not discouraging the technology, but its really hard for me to see how this would evolve into a something which would make things less time consuming. Anyways, I hope I am wrong.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Savan</p>
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		<title>By: theoreticalminimum</title>
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		<dc:creator>theoreticalminimum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dmitry,

I just checked the PDF annotator website, and I am very surprised the price has gone up by that much! I paid 30 euros for the same software in late Nov 08. For me, that&#039;s been one very noteworthy investment, considering I have lots of ebooks in pdf (not to mention the large N preprints that populate my desktop). Anyway, a quick google search easily reveals a non-empty set of possibly useful free annotator applications.

Best, TM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dmitry,</p>
<p>I just checked the PDF annotator website, and I am very surprised the price has gone up by that much! I paid 30 euros for the same software in late Nov 08. For me, that&#8217;s been one very noteworthy investment, considering I have lots of ebooks in pdf (not to mention the large N preprints that populate my desktop). Anyway, a quick google search easily reveals a non-empty set of possibly useful free annotator applications.</p>
<p>Best, TM</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lubos,

My experience shows that several (even few) years do matter - progress goes fast nowadays. For example, recall how much handwriting recognition sucked back in Win XP years (if you tried that with Vafa&#039;s tablet). Vista was quite a difference indeed - for example, in Vista handwriting recognition engine is able to learn and recognize your writing better with time (WinXP Tablet PC edition did not support learning).

On the other hand, I follow Suzuki group for a couple of years already and I do see that the recognition ability of their software is getting better... So, I would say - in a couple of years we will have this technology at least at the same level text handwriting recognition is now (of course, if demand will be high enough).

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lubos,</p>
<p>My experience shows that several (even few) years do matter &#8211; progress goes fast nowadays. For example, recall how much handwriting recognition sucked back in Win XP years (if you tried that with Vafa&#8217;s tablet). Vista was quite a difference indeed &#8211; for example, in Vista handwriting recognition engine is able to learn and recognize your writing better with time (WinXP Tablet PC edition did not support learning).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I follow Suzuki group for a couple of years already and I do see that the recognition ability of their software is getting better&#8230; So, I would say &#8211; in a couple of years we will have this technology at least at the same level text handwriting recognition is now (of course, if demand will be high enough).</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Loren,

thanks for pointing that out, I did not try Windows 7 yet. I do have a strong suspicion that Math Input Panel does not quite yet provide the functionality we need (see Lubos&#039; comment below) when writing papers :-)

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Loren,</p>
<p>thanks for pointing that out, I did not try Windows 7 yet. I do have a strong suspicion that Math Input Panel does not quite yet provide the functionality we need (see Lubos&#8217; comment below) when writing papers <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear TM,

I&#039;ve checked PDF Annotator out, unfortunately, it isn&#039;t free. So it seems that the only option for people who want Annotator functionality for free is FoxIt.

Thanks for the link to Gordon Watts&#039; post!

Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear TM,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve checked PDF Annotator out, unfortunately, it isn&#8217;t free. So it seems that the only option for people who want Annotator functionality for free is FoxIt.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to Gordon Watts&#8217; post!</p>
<p>Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only played with Cumrun&#039;s tablet PC a few years ago, when I was fixing its hard disk or something like that. It&#039;s fun and surely useful to make notes for the owner himself. Moving, copying, zooming, etc. are good tools to improve this drawing and writing over the old-fashioned paper.

However, I don&#039;t believe that recognizing complicated handwritten data - like math equations - is a good idea that will be used in a systematic way in the future. There are too many things that may be misunderstood by the computer, too many conventions that the computer might misunderstand. 

It still seems to me as a good pressure that humans are forced to rewrite equations in a mechanical LaTeX/MathML way by the computers. For example, if you look at the

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots/

link above, there are four equations. They&#039;ve been surely optimized to be showable on the blog. Still, are they correctly interpreted? Not at all. Note that the square root in the solution of the quadratic equation (last eqn) doesn&#039;t include &quot;c&quot; at the end which is left outside the square root: a wrong formula follows immediately and almost no one except for me would even notice.

This particular thing wouldn&#039;t happen with hard TeX/MathML writing because there would be no reason to divide &quot;a&quot;, &quot;c&quot; inside/outside the square root. And the syntactically OK formulae that could be obtained by a mistake would look very different, and could be seen as mistakes.

Otherwise, Windows 7 is nice - I&#039;ve tried it for a few hours now - but it is not that different from Vista, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only played with Cumrun&#8217;s tablet PC a few years ago, when I was fixing its hard disk or something like that. It&#8217;s fun and surely useful to make notes for the owner himself. Moving, copying, zooming, etc. are good tools to improve this drawing and writing over the old-fashioned paper.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t believe that recognizing complicated handwritten data &#8211; like math equations &#8211; is a good idea that will be used in a systematic way in the future. There are too many things that may be misunderstood by the computer, too many conventions that the computer might misunderstand. </p>
<p>It still seems to me as a good pressure that humans are forced to rewrite equations in a mechanical LaTeX/MathML way by the computers. For example, if you look at the</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gottabemobile.com/2.....reenshots/</a></p>
<p>link above, there are four equations. They&#8217;ve been surely optimized to be showable on the blog. Still, are they correctly interpreted? Not at all. Note that the square root in the solution of the quadratic equation (last eqn) doesn&#8217;t include &#8220;c&#8221; at the end which is left outside the square root: a wrong formula follows immediately and almost no one except for me would even notice.</p>
<p>This particular thing wouldn&#8217;t happen with hard TeX/MathML writing because there would be no reason to divide &#8220;a&#8221;, &#8220;c&#8221; inside/outside the square root. And the syntactically OK formulae that could be obtained by a mistake would look very different, and could be seen as mistakes.</p>
<p>Otherwise, Windows 7 is nice &#8211; I&#8217;ve tried it for a few hours now &#8211; but it is not that different from Vista, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Heiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Heiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows 7 includes the new Math Input Panel which is capable of recognizing handwritten math equations and translating them to MathML that can be pasted into applications. If you have access to the Windows 7 beta you might want to check it out. Gottabemobile has some screenshots here:

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots/

Thanks for the link to Infty; I&#039;ll check it out. The math recognition in Windows 7 works well for me, but I&#039;m interested to see about other formats that are supported besides MathML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows 7 includes the new Math Input Panel which is capable of recognizing handwritten math equations and translating them to MathML that can be pasted into applications. If you have access to the Windows 7 beta you might want to check it out. Gottabemobile has some screenshots here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gottabemobile.com/2.....reenshots/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the link to Infty; I&#8217;ll check it out. The math recognition in Windows 7 works well for me, but I&#8217;m interested to see about other formats that are supported besides MathML.</p>
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		<title>By: theoreticalminimum</title>
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		<dc:creator>theoreticalminimum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really nice to see more people using Tablet PCs, and thanks very much for sharing your experience with the different applications. I myself have had a Lenovo X61T for a few months now, and I am really enjoying the portability and easy access of pretty much everything I need for my studies and work. I use PDF annotator to annotate my PDF files, and it works like a charm.

One thing that will, I&#039;m sure, greatly please you is to learn that you can have all your favourite reference/text books right on your tablet, for free! I left some comments at Gordon Watt&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://gordonwatts.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/free-my-text-books/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;, so you might go and have a read there :) Have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really nice to see more people using Tablet PCs, and thanks very much for sharing your experience with the different applications. I myself have had a Lenovo X61T for a few months now, and I am really enjoying the portability and easy access of pretty much everything I need for my studies and work. I use PDF annotator to annotate my PDF files, and it works like a charm.</p>
<p>One thing that will, I&#8217;m sure, greatly please you is to learn that you can have all your favourite reference/text books right on your tablet, for free! I left some comments at Gordon Watt&#8217;s <a href="http://gordonwatts.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/free-my-text-books/" rel="nofollow">post</a>, so you might go and have a read there <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Have fun!</p>
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