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		<title>By: Jeff Fortin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fortin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lubos, 

One can look at the implications of CSB for low-energy effective field theory and the picture that emerges fits well with Nf=Nc SUSY QCD.  So as far as I know there is nothing wrong with low-energy CSB.  Also, the main reasons why we chose SU(3)^3 are one-loop gauge coupling unification and Landau poles.  The quick way to see that gauge coupling unification occurs is to consider SU(3)^3 as a subgroup of the GUT gauge group E6, thus leading to conventional gauge coupling unification.  We did not spend time on that nor on E8, considering instead D-branes in Type II as the origin of the SU(3)^3 gauge group, but the extra SU(3) is strongly-coupled and does not unify with the three SU(3)s, hence trinification rather than tetranification.

Cheers.
By the way, no need to apologize, Jeff is the usual nickname for Jean-Francois.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lubos, </p>
<p>One can look at the implications of CSB for low-energy effective field theory and the picture that emerges fits well with Nf=Nc SUSY QCD.  So as far as I know there is nothing wrong with low-energy CSB.  Also, the main reasons why we chose SU(3)^3 are one-loop gauge coupling unification and Landau poles.  The quick way to see that gauge coupling unification occurs is to consider SU(3)^3 as a subgroup of the GUT gauge group E6, thus leading to conventional gauge coupling unification.  We did not spend time on that nor on E8, considering instead D-branes in Type II as the origin of the SU(3)^3 gauge group, but the extra SU(3) is strongly-coupled and does not unify with the three SU(3)s, hence trinification rather than tetranification.</p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
By the way, no need to apologize, Jeff is the usual nickname for Jean-Francois.</p>
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		<dc:creator>290. Last two weeks of February on NEQNET</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] A Pyramid Scheme for particle physics by Jean-Francois Fortin - a new model of direct mediation of SUSY [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the &quot;Jeff&quot; which I copied from Dmitry&#039;s subtitle. I guess it was a &quot;pronounced&quot; version of J.F unless I am missing something. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the &#8220;Jeff&#8221; which I copied from Dmitry&#8217;s subtitle. I guess it was a &#8220;pronounced&#8221; version of J.F unless I am missing something. <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SU(2)^4 should have been SU(3)^4.</description>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jeff, it&#039;s very interesting &amp; greetings to Tom.

Are you saying that CSB and ISS are compatible? I thought that CSB required a complete departure from low-energy effective field theory while ISS required to take it completely seriously.

The Pyramid Scheme quiver is very interesting. I wondered whether it has a natural embedding into E8 which has a SU(2)^4 subgroup. But it probably doesn&#039;t because the trianons do not appear in the decomposition of 248, and even the &quot;27&quot; appear thrice.

Or maybe one should use a non-fundamental rep of E8? Their dimensions are pretty high.

It&#039;s interesting why you didn&#039;t call it Tetranification instead of Pyramid Scheme. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jeff, it&#8217;s very interesting &amp; greetings to Tom.</p>
<p>Are you saying that CSB and ISS are compatible? I thought that CSB required a complete departure from low-energy effective field theory while ISS required to take it completely seriously.</p>
<p>The Pyramid Scheme quiver is very interesting. I wondered whether it has a natural embedding into E8 which has a SU(2)^4 subgroup. But it probably doesn&#8217;t because the trianons do not appear in the decomposition of 248, and even the &#8220;27&#8243; appear thrice.</p>
<p>Or maybe one should use a non-fundamental rep of E8? Their dimensions are pretty high.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting why you didn&#8217;t call it Tetranification instead of Pyramid Scheme. <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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