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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
		<link>http://www.nonequilibrium.net/166-multifield-inflation-random-potential/comment-page-1/#comment-5273</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jiajun

Ok, full agreement regarding entropy perturbations - if you convert all of them into adiabatic ones, the spectrum is smooth.

As for ergodicity, I think, the latter holds for long time behaviour of correlation functions (i.e., overall N &gt;&gt; characteristic N between two subsequent scatterings).

Thanks,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jiajun</p>
<p>Ok, full agreement regarding entropy perturbations &#8211; if you convert all of them into adiabatic ones, the spectrum is smooth.</p>
<p>As for ergodicity, I think, the latter holds for long time behaviour of correlation functions (i.e., overall N &gt;&gt; characteristic N between two subsequent scatterings).</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiajun Xu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiajun Xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree. The analogy of gas molecule is not so accurate. It is more like defects in the solids. 

Regarding the ergodicity, if the inflaton is mobile in the landscape, ergodicity is more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree. The analogy of gas molecule is not so accurate. It is more like defects in the solids. </p>
<p>Regarding the ergodicity, if the inflaton is mobile in the landscape, ergodicity is more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiajun Xu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiajun Xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I say entropic perturnations in the power spectrum, I am referring to the growth of the adiabatic mode after horizon exit, due to the conversion from entropic modes into the adiabatic mode. At the end of inflation, the adiabatic pert. contains one term form the adiabatic pert. at horizon exit and one term from its superhorizon growth, and the latter is smooth and in most cases dominate. This power spectrum is purely adiabatic. 

In terms of the data constraint on isocurvature pert., in our scenario, the ratio of entropy perturbation to adiabatic perturbations after inflaiton, is roughly 1/Ne, with Ne between 50 and 60, so well within the bound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say entropic perturnations in the power spectrum, I am referring to the growth of the adiabatic mode after horizon exit, due to the conversion from entropic modes into the adiabatic mode. At the end of inflation, the adiabatic pert. contains one term form the adiabatic pert. at horizon exit and one term from its superhorizon growth, and the latter is smooth and in most cases dominate. This power spectrum is purely adiabatic. </p>
<p>In terms of the data constraint on isocurvature pert., in our scenario, the ratio of entropy perturbation to adiabatic perturbations after inflaiton, is roughly 1/Ne, with Ne between 50 and 60, so well within the bound.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again Jiajun

&lt;blockquote&gt;A realistic landscape may or may not be Gaussian. We are only taking the first step here. Introducing correlation properties other than the white noise will certainly be interesting. However, one probably needs a model of landscape to do this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, I think that whether you should consider white noise or other correlation properties actually depends on the questions you ask. For example, if you are interested to know late time behavior of correlation functions of [tex]\zeta[/tex] or [tex]\phi[/tex], Gaussian approximation can be very well enough - see my recent papers on dynamical RG for the landscape.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The path is pre-determined, but still random, think about a classical billard ball bouncing in the landscape, or think about motion of gas molecules, they are classical motion, but random.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I think, the analogy with gas molecules does not necessarily work. There, the randomness pattern is time dependent (molecules collide), here it is frozen-in. If you want, landscape is more like glass, where disorder is also frozen in. Yes, averaging over patch (or different realizations of random potential) is equivalent to averaging over time or random trajectories, but only if ergodicity holds. Whether it holds for inflation in random potential, is not quite clear. For example, suppose that potential is random Gaussian (for different values of [tex]\phi[/tex] - i.e., [tex]\langle{}V(\phi)V(\phi&#039;)\sim\delta{}(\phi-\phi&#039;)[/tex]). Does it necessarily mean that the &lt;em&gt;time&lt;/em&gt; correlations of [tex]\phi[/tex] are also Gaussian?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The power spectrum has two terms, one from the adiabatic perturbations, which may have oscillations, the other term from entropic modes is quite smooth and in most cases, dominate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The question is whether entropic perturbations dominate in reality? The answer as we know is negative (contribution of adiabatic pert. was definitely more than 50% for the last 60 efolds).

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Jiajun</p>
<blockquote><p>A realistic landscape may or may not be Gaussian. We are only taking the first step here. Introducing correlation properties other than the white noise will certainly be interesting. However, one probably needs a model of landscape to do this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, I think that whether you should consider white noise or other correlation properties actually depends on the questions you ask. For example, if you are interested to know late time behavior of correlation functions of <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/latexrender/pictures/3c22ba7aade15ea2b2852cd51bb4d6d4.gif' title='\zeta' alt='\zeta' align=absmiddle/> or <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/latexrender/pictures/1ed346930917426bc46d41e22cc525ec.gif' title='\phi' alt='\phi' align=absmiddle/>, Gaussian approximation can be very well enough &#8211; see my recent papers on dynamical RG for the landscape.</p>
<blockquote><p>The path is pre-determined, but still random, think about a classical billard ball bouncing in the landscape, or think about motion of gas molecules, they are classical motion, but random.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I think, the analogy with gas molecules does not necessarily work. There, the randomness pattern is time dependent (molecules collide), here it is frozen-in. If you want, landscape is more like glass, where disorder is also frozen in. Yes, averaging over patch (or different realizations of random potential) is equivalent to averaging over time or random trajectories, but only if ergodicity holds. Whether it holds for inflation in random potential, is not quite clear. For example, suppose that potential is random Gaussian (for different values of <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/latexrender/pictures/1ed346930917426bc46d41e22cc525ec.gif' title='\phi' alt='\phi' align=absmiddle/> &#8211; i.e., <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/latexrender/pictures/53f665bdbd233f7d82985d1529d42ccb.gif' title='\langle{}V(\phi)V(\phi&#039;)\sim\delta{}(\phi-\phi&#039;)' alt='\langle{}V(\phi)V(\phi&#039;)\sim\delta{}(\phi-\phi&#039;)' align=absmiddle/>). Does it necessarily mean that the <em>time</em> correlations of <img src='http://www.nonequilibrium.net/latexrender/pictures/1ed346930917426bc46d41e22cc525ec.gif' title='\phi' alt='\phi' align=absmiddle/> are also Gaussian?</p>
<blockquote><p>The power spectrum has two terms, one from the adiabatic perturbations, which may have oscillations, the other term from entropic modes is quite smooth and in most cases, dominate.</p></blockquote>
<p>The question is whether entropic perturbations dominate in reality? The answer as we know is negative (contribution of adiabatic pert. was definitely more than 50% for the last 60 efolds).</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiajun Xu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiajun Xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If some oscillation happens frequent enough in the power spectrum, say 100 times per l (l being the CMB multiple), data may not be able to pick it out, when doing data analysis, data points are binned according to &quot;l&quot;, and may lose information about some features.

Second, the oscillation in the power spectrum is suppressed in our model. The power spectrum has two terms, one from the adiabatic perturbations, which may have oscillations, the other term from entropic modes is quite smooth and in most cases, dominate. So we have oscillation on top of a smooth curve, and the domination of the smooth part suppresses the fractional change of the power spectrum

Best wishes,
Jiajun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If some oscillation happens frequent enough in the power spectrum, say 100 times per l (l being the CMB multiple), data may not be able to pick it out, when doing data analysis, data points are binned according to &#8220;l&#8221;, and may lose information about some features.</p>
<p>Second, the oscillation in the power spectrum is suppressed in our model. The power spectrum has two terms, one from the adiabatic perturbations, which may have oscillations, the other term from entropic modes is quite smooth and in most cases, dominate. So we have oscillation on top of a smooth curve, and the domination of the smooth part suppresses the fractional change of the power spectrum</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Jiajun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again!

If you consider a power spectrum from such inflation, then it 
should have bumps in places where potential jumps/changes strongly. In practice, what we see is a flat power spectrum without any bumps. Does it mean that for the last 60 efolds evolution of the inflaton was smooth?

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>If you consider a power spectrum from such inflation, then it<br />
should have bumps in places where potential jumps/changes strongly. In practice, what we see is a flat power spectrum without any bumps. Does it mean that for the last 60 efolds evolution of the inflaton was smooth?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiajun Xu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiajun Xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are not averaging over different landscape. There is only one landscape here, but it is complicated, as a result, the inflaton scatters around in the landscape, probing a patch of it.  And we are averaging over such a patch.

The path is pre-determined, but still random, think about a classical billard ball bouncing in the landscape, or think about motion of gas molecules, they are classical motion, but random.

Best wishes,
Jiajun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not averaging over different landscape. There is only one landscape here, but it is complicated, as a result, the inflaton scatters around in the landscape, probing a patch of it.  And we are averaging over such a patch.</p>
<p>The path is pre-determined, but still random, think about a classical billard ball bouncing in the landscape, or think about motion of gas molecules, they are classical motion, but random.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Jiajun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reality, the potential is not quite random, what you are dealing with is a one particular realization of the random potential. If you have some realization of the random potential, then the evolution of the inflaton is predetermined. Why do you talk about Brownian motion 
then? You probably average over different realizations of the random potential, am I right? Why can you average over them and why the result you get has a physical meaning?

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reality, the potential is not quite random, what you are dealing with is a one particular realization of the random potential. If you have some realization of the random potential, then the evolution of the inflaton is predetermined. Why do you talk about Brownian motion<br />
then? You probably average over different realizations of the random potential, am I right? Why can you average over them and why the result you get has a physical meaning?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiajun Xu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiajun Xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dmitry,

Currently, we are assuming that when the inflaton makes turns in the landscape, these turns are correlated like white noises. This in some sense, is assuming a Gaussian landscape, e.g. if one expand the potential locally around a point in the landscape, the expansion coefficient might be drawn from a Gaussian distribution.

A realistic landscape may or may not be Gaussian. We are only taking the first step here. Introducing correlation properties other than the white noise will certainly be interesting. However, one probably needs a model of landscape to do this.

Best wishes,
Jiajun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dmitry,</p>
<p>Currently, we are assuming that when the inflaton makes turns in the landscape, these turns are correlated like white noises. This in some sense, is assuming a Gaussian landscape, e.g. if one expand the potential locally around a point in the landscape, the expansion coefficient might be drawn from a Gaussian distribution.</p>
<p>A realistic landscape may or may not be Gaussian. We are only taking the first step here. Introducing correlation properties other than the white noise will certainly be interesting. However, one probably needs a model of landscape to do this.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Jiajun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jiajun,

thanks for your post and I am looking forward to read the next one! I have a couple of questions if you don&#039;t mind...

We are talking about a random landscape (random potential). What correlation properties of the random potential do you have in mind? If it&#039;s white noise correlated potential, why do you choose white noise correlation properties and not something else?

Cheers,
Dmitry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jiajun,</p>
<p>thanks for your post and I am looking forward to read the next one! I have a couple of questions if you don&#8217;t mind&#8230;</p>
<p>We are talking about a random landscape (random potential). What correlation properties of the random potential do you have in mind? If it&#8217;s white noise correlated potential, why do you choose white noise correlation properties and not something else?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dmitry.</p>
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